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Star Trek Into Darkness Writer Slams Naysaying Fans

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Star Trek Into DarknessStar Trek Into Darkness is this year’s Prometheus, a new film in a beloved film series that many fans thought was overrated, mediocre, and disappointing (it’s no surprise that Damon Lindelof had a hand with both sci-fi movies). Trek Movie’s Joseph Dickerson recently wrote a great editorial titled Star Trek is broken — Here are ideas on how to fix it”. In it, Dickerson explains what was thought was wrong with STID and why it was such a let down to old school fans of the series. The article naturally generated a lot of comments…including some less-than-diplomatic posts from one of Into Darkness‘ screenwriters.

The comment section of the TrekMovie.com article is a sight to see, with STID screenwriter Roberto Orci insulting Star Trek fans and defending his film. Yes, one of the actual writers of the Star Trek movie is taking it to fans for not liking the movie he wrote. The Daily Dot reports that Orci is describing other readers as “shitty fans” and telling them to “fuck off.” Trek Movie moderator Matt Wright has confirmed that the user name “boborci” is in fact screenwriter Roberto Orci. He writes:

I think the article above is akin to a child acting out against his parents. Makes it tough for some to listen, but since I am a loving parent, I read these comments without anger or resentment, no matter how misguided.

Having said that, two biggest Star Treks in a row with best reviews is hardly a description of ‘broken.’ And frankly, your tone and attidude [sic] make it hard for me to listen to what might otherwise be decent notions to pursue in the future. As I love to say, there is a reason why I get to write the movies, and you don’t.

This seems very passive-aggressive, and it doesn’t make any sense that a Hollywood screenwriter would take to a comment section of a popular Star Trek website to mow down fans of the franchise. Has Roberto Orci gone off the deep end? Unfortunately, Orci didn’t stop there. He continued to write insults to fans who didn’t like the film. Orci responded to a fan who compared Star Trek Into Darkness to Raiders of the Lost Ark:

STID has infinitely more social commentary than Raiders in every Universe, and I say that with Harrison Ford being a friend. You lose credibility big time when you don’t honestly engage with the FUCKING WRITER OF THE MOVIE ASKING YOU AN HONEST QUESTION. You prove the cliche of shitty fans. And rude in the process. So, as Simon Pegg would say: FUCK OFF!

Honestly, this is a very sad display. Orci should listen to fans’ concerns rather than just slamming them for having opinions. The only reason why Star Trek is still a very popular property after almost 47 years is its loyal fan base. Many Trek fans would agree that the franchise needs to be fixed, and telling fans they are “shitty” is not a good way to fix the problem.

Star Trek Into Darkness will be available on Blu-ray/DVD on September 10.

Comments

  1. Anthony L. Hayes says:

    I liked it and that is all that matters to me.

    • Dominic Draper says:

      That’s just it isn’t it… The internet gives a very different picture to reality. You’d think it had tanked at the box office with the amount of negativity surrounding the film.

  2. beachhead06 says:

    I like the movie I thought it was a good movie but I still maintain is a sci-fi action movie with a star trek skin thrown on. Also what an asshole.

  3. Sally Strange says:

    I found the movie somewhat enjoyable, but I can’t think of it as a Star Trek movie. The impressive parts were the SFX and the acting (sometimes). The parts where the movie failed were in the characterizations, the storyline, and the overarching philosophy. In other words, it was the opposite of Star Trek.

    • Rodrigo A. Diaz says:

      Then you must hate DS9. The Section 31 angle and the darker overall tone reminded me greatly of the more insidious story arcs from that series.

      • Sally Strange says:

        First, I haven’t watched all of DS9.

        Second, note that I said I found the movie enjoyable. Therefore why would you think that similarities to the movie would make me hate DS9?

        Third, I have seen a few episodes of DS9 and as far as I can tell, they are not a huge departure in terms of the characteristics which, for me, define Star Trek: interesting philosophy behind the storylines, and strong characterizations, weak SFX.

  4. Bawk Bawkbagawk says:

    yes Bob, there is a reason you get to write the movies: US. 47 years of Fans are why a dickhead like you is able to write the star trek movie that just got sicked up on movie screens. FORTY SEVEN YEARS even the original cast has respect for the fans who put food in their bellies now hows about you get off your high horse and start kissing some ass? cuz boy, you dont KNOW who you are pissing off.

    • Birdman73 says:

      Oooooo, scary!!!!!!!

      • unsean says:

        Roberto Orci should be nervous. Imagine where his career would be if enough people stopped seeing movies that he wrote. What enables writers like himself to make (what I believe) the outrageous money that they do are people like Bawk Bawkbagawk.

        If he doesn’t like “Star Trek: Into Darkness,” then who cares. If enough Bawk Bawkbagawk’s don’t like something, then you are flirting with financial disaster.

  5. JamesD says:

    I really don’t think he has any fans to upset. Any fans of property he has worked on are hands of the that already established property and are by no means fans of his or his partner. They are bad writers that seem to think far more of themselves than those that are essentially their customers.

  6. Kerra4 says:

    People need to get lives. I enjoyed the film. I’ve been a Star Trek fan since I was akid and most televisons were still black and white. The theme and scope of Roddenberry is in this film, just as it was in the first. I’m sick of the hard to please fan and the negativity. I’m on board with Orci. Nothing will please the haters. One ofmy very good friends is one of them and we no longer talk about it. He’s foolish and stuvk in the past. Onward I say to Orci… follow your vision. Fuck the haters.

    • flashfast2000 says:

      I don’t hate anything…. except poor story telling and pointless SFX. JJ’s movies have been nothing better than Star Trek: The Transformers Generation. In other words; LAZY.

      • Kerra4 says:

        Then don’t watch them. Its simple. The best way to vote for change is not spend your money.

        • flashfast2000 says:

          Whether I watch it or not won’t change the fact that JJ is guilty of lazy story telling. The movies could make a trillion dollars and they would still be poor excuses for Star Trek movies.

          • Newk Yuler says:

            Awesome. Bravo.

          • Kerra4 says:

            Again I say… if you don’t like it don’t spend your money on it. Let the old Star Trek live on in dvd and on Netflix, and leave the rest of us who like the new stuff alone.

          • flashfast2000 says:

            You must be silly to think I’m going to just sit down and disappear while JJ and his crew destroy what I saved in the the early ’70s by watching endless ST reruns, attending conventions that very few people knew about and writing letters to Paramount begging them to revive the show. I fight for what I love! I FIGHT FOR GENE AND THE CHILD!

          • Rodrigo A. Diaz says:

            Then I hearken you to the interview in which the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself said he wished for someone to “re-imagine” the series with “new, younger actors” and take it in a new direction. It was one of his later ones, and it was shown in the documentary by Eugene Roddenberry (Gene’s son).

          • flashfast2000 says:

            I have no problem with a “re-imagined” Star Trek with “new, younger actors”. As I’ve already stated, my problem is with the nonsense JJ has tried to pass off as ST. The true heart of Star Trek must survive.

          • Birdman73 says:

            Dude, you need to get out of your basement, take off your “I Grok Spock” T-shirt, and and maybe kiss a girl.

          • flashfast2000 says:

            Thanks for the advice Captain Stretchy Pants.

          • Birdman73 says:

            Because The Final Frontier, Insurrection, and most of Generations weren’t poor excuses for Star Trek movies already???

          • flashfast2000 says:

            Who here has said there’s never been a bad ST is the past?

    • Quinn La Fosse says:

      Stuck in the past? When exactly does this reboot take place? When are they actually going to go exploring? Why not criticize the writers for digging into PAST movies and shows to steal ideas?

      • Kerra4 says:

        I was referring to stuck in 1968 when the show was first aired. Some of those first episodes were not what I’d call stellar writing achievements. Let’s be honest. TNG almost failed in its first year because the stories were rehashings of the original series. If you are going to whine and cry about Abrams then you ought turn a critical eye to the past Star Trek…. some of which was terrible. I sat in the movie theater when the first film came out. Can I explain my disappointment when I left the theater and realized they messed up my beloved Star Trek??? There was no Internet back then. If there was there probably would have never been a TNG or DS9. Why can’t you all just get over it and leave the rest of us alone?

        • flashfast2000 says:

          BECAUSE WE LOVE STAR TREK! You get over it!

          • Rodrigo A. Diaz says:

            Sigh. This kind of exclusionary thinking and rivalry is going to send ST back to development Hell. It’s what happened to SG – and SG-1/Atlantis sustained me for a sci-fi fix during the debacle of Enterprise and after.

          • flashfast2000 says:

            I can agree with you to a point. Personally I would prefer Star Trek to remain in a coma as opposed to seeing JJ screw it up as he has already has. Fortunately Star Trek is bigger then any one person, and it will survive these troubled waters.

  7. Krig the Viking says:

    I don’t know, I don’t get the impression that he’s insulting people who didn’t like the movie, more that he’s getting angry at people who are being rude to him. It’s possible to criticize a movie without being an insulting asshole about it, and judging by the quotes in this article anyway, that seems to be what Mr. Orci is responding to.

    Internet trolls can be harsh, and it’s easy to get sucked in to a comments section and start losing your cool, especially when they’re insulting something you care about. That’s how I see it, anyway.

    • Quinn La Fosse says:

      Or maybe he’s a hack and is too egotistical to let others call him out on it.

      • Kerra4 says:

        Have you ever watched Fringe? I don’t think he’s a hack. I think when a big studio gives you a bunch of money to reboot a franchise you look at past accomplishments and build from there. Has everyone forgot that the first movie was not based on a similar Star Trek film? Again I say… if you don’t like it don’t spend your money on it. Let the old Star Trek live on in dvd and on Netflix, and leave the rest of us who like the new stuff alone.

    • Dominic Draper says:

      The only problem is that the kind of people that get involved in these kinds of discussions tend to be geeks and fanboys – both of which are groups of highly impassioned people. If something they love is – in their eyes – ruined, they are going to be sorely disappointed. But for Orci to take it personally and respond in the way he did is as unforgivable as those comments which are needlessly insulting, tarring all fans with the same brush.

  8. Duane Rawluk says:

    I tend to agree with Orcii. I’ve watched ST since the early 70s and this film, the whole reboot for that matter is a really good time. I’ve seen every orignal series episode & movie and same for STNG. These movies at the very least hold their own in the franchise. For those who are not ST fans, they are simply entertaining movies. What’s wrong with that? Self declared “trekkies” who hate this reboot because it’s new, fresh & different (or cause ‘it sucks’ as they so fondly declare) are the reason I don’t like to admit to being a ST fan.

    • Kerra4 says:

      Well said Duane.

    • Quinn La Fosse says:

      Big explosions and special effects with a Star Trek skin on it isn’t a reboot. It’s an movie executive ordered action movie. Plain and simple. Of course a bunch of people went to see it. Does that make it a good movie? No.

    • SitsUnderWaterfalls says:

      I wonder how many people are mad about the “tumblr effect.” That is, I (and many of my college-aged friends) started watching Star Trek for the first time because of the reboot movies. I’m a fan of Abrhams (loved LOST and Fringe) and many are also fans of Benedict Cumberbatch, not the Trek franchise. People get mad because we are not hardcore fans from the 70’s –because we were only born in the 80’s and 90’s! But that’s too bad for them, we’re enjoying ourselves and these movies, and we’re excited about them.

      • Duane Rawluk says:

        100% on board with your comment! It’s hard to believe (for me) but many Trekkies are elitists. Weird. BTW loved Fringe… can’t understand the hate on for Abrams.

    • David Tatlitug says:

      NEW FRESH AND DIFFERENT? Stealing Characters from the Original Trek is hardly new fresh and different. Building the ship on Earth and landing it was just lazy and ruined the lure. I love the new crew but JJ and writers did not have to disregard how they built these ships and that only Voyager could land. It’s just lazy. Retelling stories even with a twist is also lazy. Nothing is new or fresh maybe just different.

      • Duane Rawluk says:

        My son had no idea that these ships couldn’t land or were assembled in space. He did not know who Cpt. Kirk or Mr. Spock were. He would’ve never sat through an original series episode if it were not for this franchise reboot. Do you think he cares about the little obsessive details? No. He is however a Star Trek fan now (original series included). His generation will need to continue the tradition one day long after you and I are gone. I hope he finds it worthwhile to show to his children. Abrams’ reboot has made that much more likely. I for one, thank him.

  9. Adam Sternberg says:

    Into Darkness was an abortion of a movie. It’s nowhere near some of the the other tripe that has been belched out of Hollywood lately but it clearly doesn’t even hold up against disasters even as bad as Trek V. Seriously, this franchise is now off the rails and until they realize that Star Trek was built upon being good science fiction and not on teen-driven action flicks, it will never be able to deliver like the old series could. When they created TNG, they knew they had big shoes to fill and they were still able to keep the same level of respect for Roddenberry’s work and legacy through that entire series. Same goes for the other series’ as well. Not these reboots though. While I did find the 1st reboot to be a fun prequel, Into Darkness took the nonsense way too far to be enjoyable. The script was nothing short of pathetic and the writers deserve all the flack they have been getting and more. So I’m sorry if this crap you are delivering isn’t getting you the accolades you had hoped for. Perhaps the next time around you can deliver the fans who write your paycheck something a bit stronger than a lunar wind.

    • David Quinlan says:

      Arguing about the quality of the film is futile. The only thing worth discussing in relation to this article is about whether or not Orci crossed over the line that seperates expressing your opinion and being a bastard to an unreasonable degree.

    • Quinn La Fosse says:

      Exactly. The writers didn’t give a shit about staying true to the ST history. To them its a just a job and on to the next acquired franchise. But maybe Disney has better writers for Star Wars, much to Abrams’ chagrin.

    • Birdman73 says:

      $490 million in world wide box office and an 87% totmato meter rating prove you completely wrong.

  10. AJ says:

    Even if it IS Orci’s quote, the guy deserves a break. Some of the fans have been rabid in their hate for the film. People can only endure so much before they call fandom out on its BS.

    I’m not saying the JJ films are perfect, but they’re hella entertaining and visually pretty. There’s a reason Trek was dead before JJ took over – it stopped being entertaining and visually pretty, yet there’s an ‘idealized’ memory of how ‘awesome’ Trek has always been. Fans of pre-JJ Trek need to realize that, be honest with themselves, and deal with the new reality.

    C’est la vie.

    • Quinn La Fosse says:

      If the negativity was aimed at petty things like the actors not looking like the original actors, then yes. But when the plot is just nonsense and rips-off the other ST movies, then the I think that maybe Orci is little pissed on being called out.

      • AJ says:

        Yeah, but blaming Orci for the story/script isn’t entirely fair. Realistically, the story didn’t come from him exclusively, but rather from the myriad of producers behind the scenes (all the uncredited ones) and all of the execs at Paramount who without a doubt, meddled in this.

        When someone hands you a franchise and says ‘Hey, reboot this for us, in an alternate timeline, with all the same characters!’, you’re really limited as to what you CAN do.

        I thought the character introductions in Star Trek were, for the most part, exceptionally well handled. I thought the story was ridiculous. But that’s okay because the first JJ film WAS the introduction story.

        The second JJ film was more story heavy, less character introduction (as in, finally, we can just get into the story). I thought Benedict was fantastic – he just wasn’t playing Ricardo’s Khan. And we all need to be fine with that. Personally, I wouldn’t have made him Khan, but some nameless producer/exec is likely to blame for forcing that on the script.

        What I would have preferred is a movie more about the development of the superhumans and John Harrison’s backstory rather than what we got, but at least what we got gave us more meat than the first film.

        It was an undeniable improvement in the story department. Hopefully that trajectory continues.

        As for the action sequences, a bunch of it felt like we’d seen it in the previous film, which was disappointing. Well executed, but derivative of its predecessor.

        If I see a giant red ball in Star Wars, I’m going to lose it though. ‘Alias’ was all about red balls. Star Trek was about a red ball.

  11. zirtoc says:

    I thought the movie was great, other than the eye rolling homages at the end. I think Orci should stay above the fray – let the haters hate, as long as you keep raking in dough at the box office.

  12. Newk Yuler says:

    We certainly know what to expect when GFR makes another post related to the love/hate of Bad Robot’s Star Trek. Yeah, I think you do it just to stir the comments. You certainly don’t have to check the web stats to know people visit the site.

  13. Anthony L. Hayes says:

    If I am correct, there were no less than seven alternate timelines presented from TOS through Star Trek: Enterprise. Would the offended parties of JJ-Verse been appeased had any one of those been chosen to bring Star Trek back to the big screen? I would bet not. No matter who resurrected the franchise there would of been at least one person on the verge of a nervous breakdown about the ‘desecration of Gene Roddenberry’s vision!”

    As we have learned through those several episodes concerning alternate timeliness/realties, there are an infinite number of them. JJ-Verse is yet only one of the many. As far as I am concerned, any of the Star Trek series, movies, books, etc., after TOS: The Cage IS an alternate timeline.

    Out there, somewhere, Captain Pike, Number One and the crew of that Starship Enterprise have gone where no man has gone before –

    “This is the adventure of the United Space Ship Enterprise. Assigned a five year galaxy patrol, the bold crew of the giant starship explores the excitement of strange new worlds, uncharted civilizations, and exotic people. These are its voyages and its adventures”

  14. stereo-tzu says:

    Man angry after being insulted. Shocker.

    Can’t help but love how people care more about a movie and their memories of a franchise more than mass genocide in reality.

  15. BrotherMatthias says:

    One of the worst films of the last 25 years.

  16. Rodrigo A. Diaz says:

    Orci needs to take a lesson from Stargate’s Brad Wright. You shit-talk the fans, and even act as if you’re ignoring them, and they’ll stop coming.

  17. Stan says:

    “Star Trek Into Darkness is this year’s Prometheus,
    a new film in a beloved film series that many fans thought was
    overrated, mediocre, and disappointing (it’s no surprise that Damon
    Lindelof had a hand with both sci-fi movies).”

    Best line in the whole article!

  18. Dominic Draper says:

    Apart from the “reason why I get to write the movies” bit, the first quote makes a lot of sense. I personally agree that if you make movies in a series that outgross everything that preceded it in said series, you are doing something right.
    And “fans” who throw their toys out of the pram, getting snarky, assy and personal towards the filmmakers are out of line.
    But to follow that up by telling long-time fans to “fuck off” – that’s unforgivable. It is he that has lost all credibility here. Robert Orci – don’t bother writing any more blockbuster films… stick to standalone indie films, because fans of film series won’t allow you the freedom to adapt franchises to suit yourself any longer. In short – CAREER OVER.

  19. James Hoge says:

    Robert Orci and Simon Pegg have alienated the fan base with offensive language that has no place in our Star Trek family. Gene Roddenberry would be heartbroken if he knew these are the people carrying on his legacy. Paramount needs to make staffing and casting changes for the next film, wrap up the alternate timeline, and return Star Trek to TV in time for the 50th anniversary.

  20. Anthony L. Hayes says:

    Well, the good folks on this thread can whine and complain all they wish. With a $190 million budget and a worldwide gross of nearly $463 million, you can just bet your Jeffries tube there will be a third film.

    Perhaps it should be aptly named Star Trek: Who’s Your Daddy. Should my suggestion make the cut or not, I will be there opening night with a wide grin on my face and $30 in concession goodies. Viva la Star Trek!

    Live long and prosper.

  21. doucheness says:

    I really enjoyed JJ’s take on S-Trek, come to think of it take into consideration a normal treky profile: Someone who’s been viewing since the 80’s, not used to alot of action on trek, but used to the kind of mind numbing mumbojumbo sci-fi rhetoric boring sh*t trek came with.

    Point being JJ’s take is not for that generation, it’s fresh action packed fast paced modern c.g.i.’d for younger people who hate what ST was in the 80’s and 90’s which was boring half-ass sci-fi, c’mon guys what is so interesting in a cloud nebula that has an inteligence and traps the enterprise, once in every 20 episode there would be a good one…some ep’s were really f’in stupid and a waste of time.

    If you don’t wanna be entertained then don’t come and watch, I for one think JJ is brilliant and did a bang-up job.

  22. Davy says:

    Star Trek Into Darkness comes out on DVD today… might as well call it Star Trek Into the $5 Bin.

  23. Chet Hinton says:

    To most of us old school die hard Star Trek fans the story was terrible, plain and simple. The characters were great, the special effects were great, but the story sucked balls. There was so many directions they could have gone with this movie. The original series provided so much good material. But in the end they just ran a muck while stealing a bunch of plot points from the other movies. The only good thing is I saved my money and waited for the movie to come out on Bluray through Netflix.

  24. fe says:

    He’s entitled to his opinion, but his behavior is unprofessional and casts a negative shadow on the Trek franchise. There might be enough backlash to have him fired from writing any more Trek movies.

  25. Terry Pierson says:

    Fans are not always right. In the late 80s I worked for a large convention company and when the next generation came out 90% of the star trek fans absolutely hated it. Most of them would not even give it a chance, And that they would rather have nothing than watch “An old bald guy”. This is no different. Roddenberry taught acceptance, But most fans are the least accepting people I know. Sad but true.

  26. mike says:

    look, any off the so called fans who critisised the film, don’t know what their talking about, if you lot do and know what you want, then write your own bloody scrips and see if you can do better…go on….bunch of tossers everyone of yer.

  27. Markus87 says:

    Lol I love the honest trailers….

  28. Melvindor says:

    There’s a reason you have to apologize with forced smugness for this crap and we don’t.