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Will Orson Scott Card’s Anti-Gay Stance Hurt Ender’s Game’s Box Office?

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In a nutshell, this is how the majority of human beings are able to process and separate entertainment from reality: Mel Gibson depicted the extremely brutal beatings of Jesus, a Jew, for Passion of the Christ, and people threw all kinds of money at him. He makes a couple of rancid comments about Jews behind the scenes, and people chastise him, sending more hatred his way than he probably had for the Jewish community in the first place. Our species moves in strange cycles.

The next probable controversy we’ll have to worry about is Orson Scott Card’s anti-gay stance impacting the box office revenue of Gavin Hood’s upcoming adaptation of Card’s Ender’s Game. Though his bias towards same-sex marriages isn’t new, it made a few headlines recently when DC announced Card would be a part of an upcoming Superman anthology, which resulted in a massive petition signing and at least one retailer refusing to sell the product. Film insiders are already backing away from him, and steps are being taken to limit the public promotions he attends for the film, just in case anyone should question him up front about it.

But how does he really feel about it? Well, he’s called homosexuality a “reproductive dysfunction,” for one, and wrote an opinion piece of the Mormon Times where he threatens any government that attempts to redefine the heterosexual version of marriage, saying he would “act to destroy that government and bring it down.” He’s also on the board of directors for the National Organization of Marriage, which is one of the major naysayers when gay marriage is brought up. But does it really matter? After all, I don’t know the personal opinions of the people who put my TV together, or the people who cook my food at restaurants that aren’t fast food chicken joints. Hell, I don’t even know how my website coworkers feel about most issues.

So no, it shouldn’t matter, but it definitely does, because people cannot separate people from their art, and have reached the point where they feel no reason to even try to do so. Some of these people are the ones who forget how often this country has voted to its highest office men who only saw marriage as a man-and-woman thing. Is the President more important than a man who wrote a seminal 1985 science fiction novel? Of course. So let’s gain a little perspective.

I don’t share even a fraction of Card’s views on homosexuality and feel that a human’s right is far more important than a citizen’s right. But that shouldn’t have any effect on how people judge the stories I write on here. (Only a strong distaste for perverse humor should do that.) So long as Card isn’t forcibly trying to shovel anti-gay propaganda into the Ender’s Game movie, which he isn’t, then there’s no reason people should avoid the big-screen adaptation. But only time and a million news stories will tell.

Comments

  • MITNG

    I’ve seen this story pop up on The Hollywood Reporter and kinda thought the same thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.tompkins Timothy Tompkins

    It stops being “just an opinion” when people are harmed by it. Card is a member of NOM, who have thrown their support behind the measures in Uganda to actually kill gay people. This means that every dollar that Card gets from a viewer, whether that viewer agrees with his views or not, will then help the man to push an agenda of genocide.

    • Gay Ender

      I don’t agree with NOM but your suggestion that if you buy a ticket to a movie, the money will go towards killing gays is misleading and factually false. NOM never supported the “Kill the gays” bill in Uganda. They did however support anti-gay events in Uganda in years passed that helped to grow the Ugandan anti-gay movement which in turn proposed the “kill the gays” bill so they are not completely without blame. Personally I will go see the movie cause I know I am not “paying to kill gay people” as you suggest, but also because I want to support a great piece of scifi literature. If you want to stay at home fine that is your choice but you don’t have to resort to falsehoods that promote ignorance in the discussion. There are already enough reprehensible things to say about NOM without making up new ones.

    • http://twitter.com/EnderNet EnderWiggin.net

      I hate to say it but probably everything we buy is somehow “benefiting” some awful inhumane cause somewhere just because they share wallets in the way you say. It’s like telling me I shouldn’t enjoy eating a Nestle Crunch because those bastards at Nestle are watermongers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=886595407 James Vetzal

        them fucken watermongers

  • Gay Ender

    But if this movie is a hit it will inevitably spawn hundreds of pages of Ender/Alai slash fiction which should equal out any bigoted statements he makes.

  • theendlessones

    D@MN! it really bothers me to hear this about Card, but, at the same time Enders Game has been my favorite book since the 7th grade…….

  • GaysAreNasty

    The simple answer is NO. There are not enough pro-gays, or gays to make it matter at all. Most people are against gays. That’s why gay marriage bills don’t pass, etc.

    Anyone that says otherwise is trying to push the gay agenda down your throat.

    • Welshy

      It’s passed pretty much every time there is a public referendum.

      Politicians =/= “most people”

      • TraditionalGuy

        Actually, NO, gay marriage referendums FAIL every time they come up for a vote. Millions of people in California voted AGAINST gay marriage, but one dude in a black robe decided they were full of crap and overturned a legally contested public election (imagine the outcry if that went the other way, for those “ends justify the means” types). It passed in New York because a politician used his executive power to pass it into law, not because the people of New York voted for it. Besides, marriage is not a “right” at all, not even for straight people. Something is a right because you were endowed with it by your creation (your ability to express yourself, to make choices for yourself, to choose who you associate with, to worship God (or not) as you so choose, etc.). Given that men are capable of getting an unlimited number of women pregnant, the institution of marriage was created thousands of years ago to limit sexual activity and allow for a stable family environment for the creating and raising of children. Gay couples by nature are incapable of bringing children into the world, therefore the existence of gay marriage has no basis in reality. Marriage is not about the two people in it, but about the family they raise together, which is why divorce tears families apart so easily.

    • 666templar

      No such thing as ‘gay marriage’, only marriage equality. Gay people are denied equality, surely you can see this is wrong?

      “Push the gay agenda down your throat” – maybe you’re more gay than you realise? ;-)

      • TraditionalGuy

        Gay people aren’t denied anything. The equation is Man + Woman = Marriage. When you change one side of an equation, the other side of the equation must change as well. Therefore Man + Woman != Man + Man or Man + Woman != Woman + Woman, unless you want to make the case that Man = Woman and if you’ve ever dealt with a member of the opposite sex you already know for a fact that men and women are not the same at all.
        Besides, gay people can get married…..just has to be a member of the opposite sex…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/nathan.p.kennedy Nathan Paul Kennedy

    Seems at odds with his work really. Speaker For the Dead insists that the truth should be told about a person regardless as it’s the best way to move forward, the Catholic Church is a major barrier to Ender when he first arrives on Lusitania, he spends more of his life trying to save the buggers than he did trying to kill them and the whole ethos of Xenocide is to accept the different kinds of sentient species as equal to our own.

    I know he doesn’t include any gay characters, but neither did Harry Potter (not including Dumbledore being outed later), St Trinian’s or Star Trek. That suggests to me he’s quite capable of ignoring the issue when it comes to him making money, so with a little bit of luck the public reaction will make him re-think his membership in these organisations.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22702359 Che Broadnax

      So, you should probably put a SPOILER tag in there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karen.a.giles Karen Ambury Giles

    Well done to Orson Scott card for standing up for his beliefs. Most of us are happy to air unpopular opinions in the privacy of our own homes or when surrounded by folk with the same view as our own. it takes real courage to stand up and be honest when it is in the public view and highly likely to affect your income!!

  • http://twitter.com/Deggsy Deggsy

    I think people (Hollywood anyway) can separate the art from the artist, if the art makes enough money and critical acclaim. Just ask director and erstwhile child rapist and fugitive Roman Polanski.

  • asdfasfasf

    Only if you feel that just about every actor/writer/director’s extreme liberal views should hurt their box office?

  • http://www.facebook.com/M.A.Emmons Mike Emmons

    3 comments in and its about liberals? hey guess what yanks, its NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. yes Card is out of touch. he is a mormon, saying his views are out of step with modern thinking is an understatement. i for one think we should go out of our way to give bigots a forum with plenty of public debate. i applaud the idea of letting them look stupid. if you let them air their views then we can all talk about it in the light of day, reason will prevail. so give him a chance to explain that Leviticus forbids homosexuality. because once its out there we can start showing how silly their selective beliefs are.

  • heterosexual_jonny

    Your argument has some flaws. First off, many of us actually do judge companies based on their actions and beliefs. This is hardly the first occurrence. I put forth the chick fillet event as evidence that Americans do judge purchases based on gay rights stances.

    Also whenever a president is elected recall that approximately half of the country is unhappy about it and so as time progresses and more people recognized that gay people deserve equal rights, you should be able to cope with the idea that the ideals of our presidents will change (sometimes quite quickly). We use to elect pro-slavery presidents too, does that mean a movie made with slave labor in a third world country should receive our support?

    The struggle for gay people to obtain equal rights in America is not a war to be one in a single giant election, or the passing of a bill in congress. The struggle for gay rights must be won through the daily battles in the entire populace of America. When Americans see that someone rich and famous is strongly anti-gay they believe it is acceptable to spew forth such hate, and proceed to do so.

    Whether Card shovels anti-gay propaganda into his movie or not is irrelevant, what matters is at the end of the day, I buy my ticket, Card gets a fraction of the money, and he turns around and supports one of these anti-gay establishments.

    You seem to believe that this piece of artwork should be enjoyed for itself. And I agree, we should be able to enjoy the art work for its own beauty regardless of the flaws of its creator. However that does not mean we should financially support anti-gay establishments to do so. Torrent the movie, and judge it. Fine by me. Just don’t allow any more money to flow into anti-gay hands because every penny you give them is another moment that gay people struggle to obtain their equal rights, and their will come a time, maybe if you have kids, or grandkids and they ask you about the gay rights movement, that you will be absolutely ashamed of your culture for its dehumanization of fellow human beings.

  • Sargonarhes

    Hell, I’m more likely to want to see it now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1453180172 William Morefield

    Two things from me: I’ve never read the book and have not seen any previews of the movie, so until I do, I don’t know if I will see the movie. Now, my two things: if the movie were pushing an anti-gay agenda, then, no, I would not go see it. Secondly, there are comments on here about if people pay to see the movie, then some money goes to him, which in turn will go to his Church and his anti-gay groups. However, one possible problem with that concept is that unless he signed a contract for box office percentages, he has already been paid by the studio. Is he directly involved in the movie (as a screen writer, exec producer, etc?) Most likely he sold the film rights to the studio/production company and will not see any additional money.

    All that being said, again, unless he’s directly involved with, or the movie pushes an agenda, let the movie stand on its own merit.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=630285044 Peter Lucas

      He’s also a producer.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22702359 Che Broadnax

      He’s not a dummy. He’s been milking the Ender series for decades. He is obviously going to make money on the back end of this, and even if he sold the rights outright, with no points or producer credit, he’d still pull in royalties.

  • ender191

    I could give 2 sh!ts to the wind about Card’s own personal beliefs, the fact is that Ender’s Game is one of the best novels outthere, and now its finally going to be a freakin movie, the only downside I have towards this is that Card didn’t write the screenplay. Mel Gibson hates jews, so what I’m still gonna watch the Lethal Weapon quartet, Mad Max trilogy, and Brave Heart movies, just like im still going to watch the new Iron Man movie even tho Robert Downey Jr is a former drug addict. The fact is these people all work in make believe they act and write bullsh!t so why should people be offended by phoney’s who get paid to be phoneys…..

  • Hirdarc

    I’ve been looking forward to Ender’s Game coming to the big screen ever since I first read the book 20 years ago.

    Do I agree with OSC stance on gay-marriage? No.

    Do I really care what his personal/ religious views are? No

    Do I support his RIGHT (and it is his right) to express his personal/ religious views? Most definitely!

    Will I be going to the first available showing of Ender’s Game?
    Most definitely! I’m going for the enjoyment of seeing one of the finest works of science-fiction writing (in my belief) finally reach the cinema.

    Do I support others who will boycott the movie because they disagree with the authors view? Yes. Their RIGHT.

  • R’lyeh Athletic

    Do I agree with Card? Absolutely NOT!
    Do I support his right to have an opinion (even one I find odious)? Most definitely.
    Will I go see the film? Not in a month of Sundays.

    And here’s why. It’s one thing to have an opinion, that’s fair enough, but Card goes further than most in that he’s an activist for enforced inequality, based on a highly SELECTIVE reading of an ancient text. Were Card against inter-racial marriage I’d feel him equally repugnant, but were he to campaign to legally prevent such marriages – how many would be happy knowing part of their ticket price was going towards that attempt?

  • jck

    good grief, if you can support Michael Jackson without batting an eye, then it should be easy to let this slide.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22702359 Che Broadnax

    It’s a much more nuanced issue than the article makes it out to be. It also isn’t an issue of separating art from artist, it’s an issue of voting with dollars. Card is obviously benefiting financially from this film. I think it’s safe to assume he’s got points on the back end, besides just royalties and whatever money he made up front. Card is also known to publicly support some pretty hateful stuff. It stands to reason that some of the money he makes from this deal will make its way to the front lines in the fight against common decent humanity and equality. So, yeah, while we may all love the story of Ender’s Game, and harbor a cautious optimism that the movie could somehow even remotely do justice to the novel, we also all have to grapple with the fact that if we support the film, we will be supporting financially — likely — some anti-gay groups. Would we knowingly go see a film that we knew was going to dump some money into in the Klan? Or Al-Qaeda? The film itself will likely not have any of Card’s bigotry built into it (indeed, the Ender series would seem to be far more tolerant of difference than Card himself… unless OCD is a metaphor…). So what do we do? For starters, we’re talking about it, which is better than nothing. We so infrequently get a chance to know what we’re supporting when we engage in commerce, except with Chick-Fil-A who come right out and say what they’re about. If we MUST put a little scratch into a ‘phobe’s pockets, then maybe, assuming we don’t agree with the guy, we ought to put MORE scratch into the pockets of those fighting against oppression and repression. It requires thought, and we can’t just dismiss the issue by suggesting we separate our art from its creators, unless we can separate our money that goes to support that art from its creators. We’re complicit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=886595407 James Vetzal

    growing up and reading the books shaped a large part of me and they were a serious par of my life, i still had a hard time overlooking the views and religion of card once i found out a couple years ago but it seems there is very little of that intolerance in the books and it really came as a shock because tolerance seems to be a large part of the books never the less he has little to do with this movie and i’ve been waiting too long to see it to let his distorted views ruin it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.stalder Anthony Stalder

    When an intellectual public figure uses his celebrity status to commit hate-crimes, the backlash always follows. See French anti-semite writer Celine, who was a stylistic genius. And spent his life ostracized to the point of seclusion for it. Hypocrisy or not. Especially for writers, their PUBLICIZED deviances, as in deviances they want to publicize about themselves, can and do have on impact on their public perception. Even if you really want to see your new sci-fi movie, well, the fact remains.

  • http://www.facebook.com/adamlamas Adam Lamas

    Isn’t “Butt Watcher” the abusive epithet the boys sling at one another in the book? Sounds pretty homophobic to me. I still loved the book though. I’m just pointing out that the book is not “homophobia free”.

  • http://2000ah.blogspot.com/ Edward

    How about the age change of the kids making it a completly different story making the movie suck is the reason it will suck and not the anti-gay stance of the original writer.

  • http://picasaweb.google.com/JTHolroyd/TileStoneWork JessSayin

    Good for him. I’ll pay full ticket price just because he’s got the balls to stand up for his beliefs.
    “TRUTH is the new hate speech.” -George Orwell

  • Kris

    The people who cook your food at restaurants do not have the kind of public attention Card has. He could do serious harm to the status of LGBT people in society and he needs to be held accountable. Also, it may be easy enough for you to say that we should just ignore a creator’s hate-filled beliefs if we like their creation, but it is a very different story among the people for whom homophobia poses a clear and present danger–often to their very lives. Those people can’t afford to be as blase as you recommend. I, for one, prefer to stand in solidarity with them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/liam.padmore Liam Padmore

    Anyone saying that Ender’s Game doesn’t contain inherent homophobia needs to examine/research the word ‘Bugger’, and to remember that the story is essentially about the attempted (and nearly complete) genocide of all ‘Buggers’.

    A freakish coincidence, or a slip of the subsconscious? You decide.

  • Film Geek

    Pass. I will not support Card or his agenda by paying to read his written work or watch a movie he’s benefitting financially from. While this my choice, and I am only one person, I can only make my voice heard by my own actions. There is plenty of other entertainment to choose from out there written by non-militant homophobes.

  • http://twitter.com/unDailyPower Andrew Power

    He could be slaughtering unicorns and mating bunnies with gorillas, and I would still watch this movie. I don’t care.

  • http://www.facebook.com/glenniverson Glenn Iverson

    While I don’t personally agree with Card’s beliefs, I *DO* know that Ender’s Game was incredibly profound to me when I first read it as a new novel when I was in college (yeah, I’m that old). I’m not sure a movie could actually do justice to the film playing in my head when I read it; but even if it could, whether I’m watching it or not won’t make much of a difference, since he’s already been paid for the rights to the film and his work related to it. So there’s a good chance I’ll go to see it in the theater, but there’s probably a better chance that I’ll wait until it’s available on cable TV.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jay.demetrick Jay Demetrick

    How about not giving money to someone who actively uses his money to deny civil rights to a specific minority? He won’t get a single cent from me.

    I happened to read this book back in the late ’90s when a roommate lent me his copy and recommended it. Doesn’t anyone else find it creepy that the boys in that book are running around naked most of the time? Ew.

  • Andy L

    I read a tweet that went like this: Orson Scott Card dislikes gays. There are talented people who are not bigots which I can give my money to. Let’s give someone else a turn. Yep, says I, we should go wide on this one.

  • Jenny

    Sorry I have to disagree with your take on this. One of the big problems in our society is overlooking a-holish behavior in those we deal with, by doing this we enable it to continue. It’s one thing to not be aware of someone being a repulsive human being, quite another to be aware of it and just shrug your shoulders and determine that it “doesn’t matter”. For me it DOES matter. The caliber of the human decency of a creator matters just as much to me as their work. Too often we celebrate utter jackasses because they are “creative” and turn a blind eye to their disgustingness. I’d rather support an artist who’s also a decent human being who’s not trying to deny rights to others.