Author: JT
• Tuesday, May 26th, 2009

terminator Terminator Salvation Review: Really? Thats Skynets Plan?Terminator Salvation is an entertaining film, as long as you don’t think about it. The special effects are splashy the action is fast-paced and fun. Even the characters are, with the exception of Bale’s somewhat blank John Connor, interesting and well acted. Anton Yelchin in particular, who you may have noticed a couple of weeks ago as Chekov in Star Trek, really shines here as Kyle Reese. In fact, forget John Connor. They should have given us an entire movie focused on him. No the movie’s problems have nothing to do with anything that happened on set during the film’s making, they’re much deeper and more ingrained than that. It’s the script. It’s the entire premise on which the film is built that’s at fault and there’s really nothing the movie’s one-named director McG, even if he’d been allowed to deliver the R-rated movie this franchise deserved, could have done to fix that.

Since it’s the premise that’s the problem, there’s really no way to discuss this without minor spoilers. If you haven’t seen the movie and you don’t want it ruined for you, jump ship now. If you’re still here, then let’s get right to the heart of this problem.

The problem is the movie’s villain, Skynet, which is far from the unstoppable, viciously intelligent machine force we’ve seen evidenced in previous movies. The entire film is built around a complicated plot from Skynet, everything is set in motion by that plot, everything happens because of that plan, and that plan is utterly stupid. Here it is: Skynet captures Kyle Reese and uses him to lure in John Connor so that it can kill him. Skynet knows John Connor will come to save Kyle, because Skynet knows that in his future Kyle becomes John’s father and Connor needs him if he wants to be born.

Kyle Reese is bait. John Connor is the target. Um… why doesn’t Skynet just shoot Kyle Reese in the head? Game over. John Connor is dead.

Instead of doing that, Skynet only makes the whole thing even worse. To get John Skynet constructs some sort of human cyborg and sends it after him. The cyborg believes it’s human, and in fact it has free will and thinks exactly like a human. Why Skynet would build such a creature is beyond the realm of any sort of machine logic I can conjure. It sets something loose that it can’t control, completely confident that it will still do exactly what it’s told, thought there’s absolutely no reason to believe it will. Even when given proof positive evidence that its cyborg creation has switched sides, Skynet doesn’t seem to be interested in doing anything to stop it. Instead our cyborg MacGuffin walks off unmolested and goes to work undoing Skynet’s stupid plan. Maybe by then Skynet, like everyone in the audience, had realized how dumb its plan is in the first place and simply decides it’s no longer worth the trouble.

Terminator Salvation is built on a ridiculously shaky foundation and there’s simply no way to save it from such brain-dead construction. Yet there’s fun to be had in it, as long as you don’t spend more than a second thinking about the logic in any of it. Unfortunately for Salvation, Terminator fans aren’t used to this kind of plot stupidity and will almost certainly, go into it with their heads still attached.

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  • Phil Miller
    Hey Josh, you are absolutely right. But another bigger plothole is why does Skynet even know who John Connor is at this point in time? According to the Terminator lore the machines only take notice of him when far off into the future they are on the verge of losing the war where their defense grid was smashed and in their last ditch attempt need to go back in time to remove him from ever existing as Kyle Reese explains in the first Terminator. John Connor at this point is just another human.

    PS. Are you now doing freelance? I thought you only wrote for Cinemablend.
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  • Maven
    I'm fairly certain that the entire concept of "intelligent plot construction" went right out the window clear back around Terminator 2, where suddenly you had completely metal terminators traveling through time, despite the first movie EXPLICITLY saying that was impossible, and the sudden proliferation of cyborgs popping in and out of the future, despite the fact that Reese SPECIFICALLY said that the Resistance destroyed the time machine. (I'm willing to let that one slide though, because he clearly wasn't around to see it.)
  • Derek
    Correct me if I am wrong about my time logic here, but I am fairly sure that killing Reese in the present time of the movie would not change anything. The event that created John Connor already occurred, in the past, and a new timeline has been created. Killing Kyle Reese isn't going to make Connor disappear, the event that created him already occurred, whether or not Reese actually goes back in this new timeline. With that understanding, then it makes perfect sense why they didn't just kill Reese.
  • The whole Machines taking over the world with conventional warfare, is the real plot hole. They can build a time machine, but they can't figure out an easy way to kill all humans?

    1. They don't need to breath, so ignite the atmosphere and suffocate us.

    2. Or just nuke the planet, they aren't effected by radiation either.

    3. Block out the sun and destroy all plant life, which would take away our food supply.

    4. For that matter why can't they build spaceships and go live in space? They don't need a planet, and if they do, what's wrong with Mars?

    5. And finally, if you have a time machine, why not go back before we have weapons? A couple of terminators could take out all the cavemen.
  • The absolutely braindead movie industry nowadays is a total insult to human intelligence

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  • blarg
    I think the T-1000 and TX went back in time in a living flesh bodysuit to overcome the whole special field made by living matter thing. The T-1000 simply ditched upon slicing up the first cop (as it would be ruined by the shapechange) TX probably just tore it off to avoid similar problems. Pretty easy work around for this plot hole that everyone seems to dwell upon.

    They probably ran out of usable nukes during the initial attack that triggered Judgement day, so they'd be left with conventional warfare to mop up.

    You can grow food in a underground greenhouse the same way you can grow pot in your basement, so blocking the sun wouldn't be very immediate or practical.

    For living in space, I think there's the issue of immediacy. Humans are coming for Skynet. Once they're out of the way, then it has all the time in the world to do the other stuff, so killing all humans is the priority.

    Killing cavemen would kill skynet in that plan. Skynet needs people to invent it so that it can exist, so it sends terminators back to surgically alter the time line for favourable results.
  • JamesM
    "Derek
    Wednesday, 27. May 2009

    Correct me if I am wrong about my time logic here, but I am fairly sure that killing Reese in the present time of the movie would not change anything. The event that created John Connor already occurred, in the past, and a new timeline has been created. Killing Kyle Reese isn’t going to make Connor disappear, the event that created him already occurred, whether or not Reese actually goes back in this new timeline. With that understanding, then it makes perfect sense why they didn’t just kill Reese."


    Two words: Predestination paradox. From Wiki: "A time traveler attempting to alter the past in this model, intentionally or not, would only be fulfilling their role in creating history as we know it, not changing it."

    If Kyle Reese doesn't get sent back in time in the future, he doesn't make it to the past to impregnate Sarah Conner to create John Conner. This explicit issue is why I actually appreciate T3, as much as other people seem to despise it. It closed a huge plothole that remained after T2: How did the Terminators (and Kyle) get sent back in time if Judgement Day never happened Skynet (via Cyberdine) was stopped? The rest of it gets into pseudo philosophical what ifs and what is and does a bear shit in the woods? sort of talk, but the issue is simply this:

    If someone doesn't go back in time to cause the timeline to happen the way it did, the future wouldn't be known for what it was when the person went back in time. Everything that happens up to the point of going back in time HAS TO HAPPEN for the time travel to become possible in the first place. In other words: You can't prevent the future once someone from the future is involved in the past. You can change details ("Judgement Day was postponed" in T3), but the future has to happen.
  • Derek
    JamesM,

    I understand the predestination paradox, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If I am John Connor, I already exist, I am here in the flesh, taking up matter. If Kyle Reese is killed in front of me, there is no affect on my being and of occupying matter. I already am here, it doesn't matter what happens once I am here. This isn't Back to the Future.
  • blarg
    Maybe Sarah Connor had a steady boyfriend who knocked her up before T1 happened? Kyle really isn't John's dad, but everybody thinks he is because Sarah didn't want to tell John she'd been sleeping with the fry cook at the denny's.
  • Trevor
    "The cyborg believes it’s human, and in fact it has free will and thinks exactly like a human."

    I don't think is entirely true. There was a key plot point in which Marcus rips out a chip from behind his neck, a chip that linked him to SkyNet. Only at that point did he gain true free will.

    "It sets something loose that it can’t control, completely confident that it will still do exactly what it’s told, even there’s absolutely no reason to believe it will."

    Again, I don't think this is correct. The chip in Marcus's neck allowed SkyNet to control Marcus, at least to some degree. The idea of SkyNet creating Marcus isn't as ludicrous as you make it sound.
  • the whole premise was lame. wish they didnt cancel the show as it was magnitudes better than the movie. damn stupid metal.
  • Jon
    The reason why skynet doesnt just shoot kyle is it doesnt change the fact that John Connor is still there. He still can destroy skynet. The present is happening..so they need to eliminate him anyway. Once they do kill him then yes they can just kill kyle and it wont repeat itself. I do admit any movie that deals with time travel is a little tricky. I thought this movie was really good.

    I agree with other people on this post. This was still a good movie over all.
  • JT
    If shooting Kyle doesn't change eliminate John Connor... then why does Skynet think he's important and why does John Connor think he's important?

    Obviously Skynet and Connor do not agree with the assumption put forward above by some, in which they assume that killing Reese won't eliminate Connor. Therefore the movie also doesn't support that assumption.
  • It was meant to just be a blockbuster and to coincide with the show.
  • TI
    Josh, I think you missed two other issues far earlier than the development of the main plot! #1)Why in ALL of these post apocalyptic moves are the survivors still searching for GASOLINE! I'm 49 years old and I can tell you what happens when you have to wait in line for gas!!! The gas station goes out of gas in less than 24 hours. Why in all of these movies YEARS after the apcoalypse are these folks still looking for gas and even more crazy they find a tanker full of gas. How did they or ANYONE get the gas that is in that tank! #2)Roads in as few as few as five years would be totally overgrown with weeds and trees would be sprouting from the tarmac everywhere. They attempted to show in the movie that there were vehicles in the road and misteriously as they ran out of gas they ALL managed to park by the side of the road! How nice. I have to remember in the apocaplypse when I run out of gas to pull over! I will have such a clear head too...I know I will be right on top of that.
  • jasvll
    Skynet knows about Reese's importance because in the past of this future, he's already gone back in time and fathered Connor (although neither Connor nor Skynet seem in on this fact and Sarah C never committed to telling him in the original) as well as the other events of the earlier films. That's why things are similar but not exact to Sarah Connor's predictions and leads John Connor to say that this isn't the future his mother warned him about.

    There's also an assumption some are making that Skynet and/or the Resistance already have the ability to time travel at this point in time. They may be close, but they don't seem to be there, yet.

    While they didn't quite achieve it, I think the goal with Wright was to show the machines being capable of making the same mistake the humans did when they developed the AI that led to Skynet. The idea of making an infiltrating machine so close to human that it's indistinguishable in every way is great in theory. In practice, it's humanity is what will distinguish it from the machines.
  • Bill
    OK, by sending Kyle Reese back in time, another timeline has been created, it's possible the current 'future' isn't the one Terminator 1 Kyle Reese came back from.
    As for Marcus Wright, he's a work in progress, possibly the prototype before the Arnie Model, not as advanced etc.
    SkyNet is known to have sent lots of terminators back in time after John Connor, the survival of one of their chips could be evidence that Kyle Reese is John Connors father...
  • J
    Thanks for pointing that out TI. At least someone has a head on their shoulders. Maybe in that future everyone has cars that can travel hundreds of miles on a gallon of gasoline. Let alone bio fuel aircraft with locally grown ordinance.
  • FTWinston
    Its certainly possible that neither skynet or the resistance fully understand time travel. Its not been invented yet, after all. Perhaps Skynet is confident that with Connor already existing, killing Reese won't change anything, but Connor, having had to deal with the apocalypse and everything, hasn't had enough time to fully consider the metaphysics of time travel in a metaverse.

    Or maybe its just a movie with time travel in it, which afaik has never been done 'properly'
  • maybe that's where the flaw lies... the they wanted to put the movie with the TV show. We all know that TV shows add more than they should in order to stretch out the plot for more shows.

    My first question is - how does a machine that has no will - runs on logic - creat a machine with free will.

    as time travel - who the heck will ever know - present, past, future - time lines leave that for star trek ..
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